Hearing from a possible relative is thrilling. This is how the message begins:
“Hi Ann, Hearing from a newfound family member is always exciting! . . . You and I would be 2nd cousins by marriage.”
Our possible common ancestor was Conrad/us Kirs/ner, father of my great-grandmother, Catherine Barbara Kischner. Catherine’s children knew her as “Kate”. This photograph of Kate was taken shortly before her death, on Dec. 28, 1910. She was living with her daughter, Anna Landes, in Niagara Falls, NY. My granddad, Frank C. Mesle, Sr., owned the house next door.Kate may have been born June 16, 1850/7.
Our family history, and the 1910 U.S. Census, are consistent that she was born in Germany. Sources at Ancestry.com, including my newly connected second cousin, disagree, and believe she was born in Glogon, Austria-Hungary.
Glogon (now Glogonj) is currently part of Serbia. Between the mid-1800’s and the present, Glogon has been part of Austria-Hungary, Hungary, Yugoslavia and, now, Serbia. It is strategically located between what was, in the 1700 and 1800’s, a buffer area between Christian Austria-Hungary and the Moslem world. Apparently settlers were given free land to entice them to move there to provide a buffer between the two cultures. It was certainly a bad bargain. They lived a difficult life at best. Apparently death rarely resulted from old age, but instead from disease, starvation or warfare. By the late 1800’s there was a massive exodus from Glogon to other areas of Europe and to the U.S.
Selfishly, for me, my probable link to Glogon helps explain my DNA test results, that indicates I have DNA markers for Southern Europe and, perhaps, the Caucasus, near the Black Sea. Obviously Glogon is located far closer to Italy than to the country I had believed to be her home, Germany.
Kate received a series of letters from her family between 1896 and 1911. All were addressed from Germany. Each includes some tidbit of news pertinent to the family history. They are as follows:
Letter from C. Kirsch (probably her brother) dated Jan. 22, 1897 from Ludwigshafen (at the Rhein), to the Kaisers German Consulate in Toronto, Canada: He identifies Barbara Kirsch as his sister, states his father’s third wife “died last year” and that his father, who is very weak, will be 76 in March. He states that of the “brothers and sisters there are , besides myself: a sister, Elise Fromhold, a widow, who lives in Neckargemund. Elise was Conrad’s daughter by his first wife, as was Kate. A brother Frederick Kirsch, was a teacher in Sonborn, Elberfeld, of the second wife.
Letter from C. Kirsch dated July 16, 1901, from Ludwigshafen to Barbara Mesle, born Kirsch, in Niagara Falls, NY: He explained he was sending Barbara her 1/4 share of her father’s estate, 2000 marks, ($478.16). He identified his eldest daughter as Lenchen, and his son as Fredrick.
Letter from Elisa Fromhold dated July 29, 1907, from Neckargemund: It is addressed to “Dear Sister” and identified her daughter, Marin, as nurse in Mannheim, another child as Jungfer, who lived in Durtheim (Durbheim?).
Letter from Elise Fromhold dated August 1, 1911, from Neckargemund: It is addressed “Dear Aunt”(?) and was received by the family several months after Barbara’s death. It identified the author’s children, Dina, Karl, Uncle Konrad and Uncle Friedrich. I assume, but do not know, that this is from a daughter of Catherine’s sister, also Elisa/e.
The correspondence from a possible cousin, who I have never met, is exciting. She identified another brother of Kate’s, Josephus Kirschner, born September 8, 1855, in Glogon. He has long been identified on the margins of my notes as a possible relative. Her ability to give me what may well be another piece of my great-grandmother’s history assists me, piece by piece, to trace the history of my family.
Have a great week.
Frederick is also the name of one of Kate’s sons
My mind reels, trying to keep all these people straight. Of course, I startled when I saw Barbara Mesle, then re-read to see that was great grandmother, Catherine Mesle. And Kate. What ‘s in a name? One person in many names and several people in one name. Love it!
I wrote this post after I received a message through ancestry.com from a descendant of Josephus. She asked whether I could send a photograph of Kate. Since I don’t know how to attach photographs to emails I told her I would do a post on Kate so she could have the photo and a bit of family history. Fun, don’t you think.
So exciting! Good luck as you continue this search!
Small contribution, following data I came across during mu research on some other topics. You might find it helpful.
Conradus Kirschner born 1824 in Jabuka, Hungary – died 31st May 1892
1st Marriage on 27th Jan 1845 to Clara Buchler (born 1822) in Glogon
Children: (all born in Glogon)
Theresia 9th Jan 1845
Veronica 24th April 1847
Joannes 16th Feb 1849
Theresia July 1853
Stephanus 25th Sept 1854
2nd Marriage on 22 March 1855 to Barbara Kupfer (born 1826)
from father: Blasius Kupfer and mother Anna Heinbach in Glogon
it was her 2nd marriage too
Josephus 8th Sept 1855, Glogon
Catharina 11 Jun 1857, Glogon
Georgius 1846, Jabuka
Ferdinand 29 Sept 1869, Jabbuka
Catherina’s youngest brother, Ferdinand died on 5th Jan 1925, buried at Calvary Cem. LA, Ca next to his wife Katarina Poltzer (born 1876, Jabuka, Hanagry)
They had 5 children:
Grace 13th Oct. 1896
Barbara 23rd Jan 1899 – 1984 (married to Clarence M. Brumfield)
Nary 8th Feb 1908
Frederick 11th Sept 1910
Joseph 12th Jun 1918
Thanks for this information. What is your connection to Glogon?
I am researching on family Lui from Glogon. My grandmother was born there.